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    I know some will disagree but I see the future as a mix of battery cars and hydrogen fuel cells, with hydrogen being used for commercials and long range vehicles (this will also help the thousands of people who dont have off street parking etc for charging) .

    You can then run your V8 on hydrogen gas

    I expect the after market boys will develop some generic parts to enable conversions e.g fuel tanks, injectors etc, then it just requires some ECU mapping changes and you can run on hydrogen gas. Wont develop as much power but will still make a proper noise, and mainly steam out of the exhaust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyodo View Post
    Agreed 100%, but... We'll have it forced upon us anyway.
    Also agree with you mod but like Mark says I think it may end up being forced on us anyway.

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    Oh, and nice original post. I'd much rather see quality conversions like this than cars resigned to museums or the scrap heap. We have a few years yet but it's coming. The only problem I see is by heading down the conversion route rather than buying new, we'll still have to be trusted to drive ourselves and the car wont send its owners movement data to 'the man'. We'll still have a high degree of control and that's exactly what we're gradually being stripped of.
    Agreed, if it does happen and ICE becomes ‘outlawed’ (or at least unsupportable) I’d much prefer to go down this route than simply scrap all old cars, particularly cars like Ferraris. My guess is if it does happen it could be years off. And I don’t want things to go this way. But I can see it happening eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sssdu01 View Post
    I know some will disagree but I see the future as a mix of battery cars and hydrogen fuel cells, with hydrogen being used for commercials and long range vehicles (this will also help the thousands of people who dont have off street parking etc for charging) .

    You can then run your V8 on hydrogen gas

    I expect the after market boys will develop some generic parts to enable conversions e.g fuel tanks, injectors etc, then it just requires some ECU mapping changes and you can run on hydrogen gas. Wont develop as much power but will still make a proper noise, and mainly steam out of the exhaust.
    There’ll be a reason they ban hydrogen. Not sure what but they’ll think of something......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nosevi View Post
    There’ll be a reason they ban hydrogen. Not sure what but they’ll think of something......
    Because they want us all in electric cars that they have control over
    The cars will talk to the our phones, the roads, each other and big brother. I reckon the flat screens inside will start to stream us adverts based on our phone data, browsing history and relative to our geo location (this happens already on the web as you know). Our cars will tell the authorities where we are at all times, who we're in close proximity to and heaven forbid we stray over the limit. The backs of buses will be made up of digital displays along with heads-up displays in the back windows of the cars in front. After all, what will we have to do to kill time whilst the cars are doing the driving. Ok, maybe I made that last bit up but we shouldn't laugh about it. It's coming. I just long for the day when the personalised ads beaming from the backs of buses include teasers from that porn site, you know the one...

    I want to know how they'll make the tax scheme work. Currently, electric's pay no road tax and petrol is taxed through the roof. How will they generate enough power for millions of electric cars and will household power bills go through the roof to pay for it? Surely Fidel Corbyn will claim that'll hit the poor and the most vulnerable in society. Do those of us that can afford it go full on solar with our own little windmills to power our vehicles, effectively giving the taxman the middle finger whilst becoming more self-sufficient. Our country may collapse but at least the EU will be laughing and as Mod hinted at, the Chinese will carry on regardless.

    Ok, well that's my morning brain dump over, sorry for the good news

    Except for... If driverless cars will be so safe, surely they'll be able to zip about at speed and mph limits will be abolished?

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    That's a cheery picture you paint, Mark ……..

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    We have enough capacity in the grid system already for a full nation of EV’s (coughs... apart from last night )
    Peak juice usage was in the early 2000’s and full EV use will only take us back to that load. Those LED lights and A rated white goods have really made a difference.

    The issue is charging them as something like 40% of households don’t have off road parking and the charging infrastructure is nowhere near where it needs to be.
    Also there will be no new houses connected to the gas supply from 2025 (if the recommendations are adopted) so that will increase elec demand.
    As solar and wind becomes more efficient micro-generation and storage (probably in your car) will play a big part. As an engineer I actually find it quite exciting and if I was 30 years younger it’s a direction I’d be looking to head.

    My next runabout purchase will almost certainly be an EV Hydrogen is the Betamax in this fight I’m afraid.

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    Interesting article on a class action suite in the US against Tesla. Apparently a software update reduced the range on the older cars to protect the batteries and the owners are not happy! Some have disconnected their cars from WiFi so they don't get the updates.

    (Sorry cant find the article now!)

    Will be interesting to see how this goes as it has potential for rather large ramifications to the electric car market!

    Article also stated that the batteries were only guaranteed for 8 years; so Teslas being worthless after 6-7 years? Let the ownership model debate commence!

    (Personally if everything goes electric, I'm going to nick my dads 350LC, and run it on avcat and synthetic two stroke oil and enjoy living in a nostalgic fog of beautiful two stroke smells )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike01606 View Post
    We have enough capacity in the grid system already for a full nation of EV’s (coughs... apart from last night )
    Peak juice usage was in the early 2000’s and full EV use will only take us back to that load. Those LED lights and A rated white goods have really made a difference.

    The issue is charging them as something like 40% of households don’t have off road parking and the charging infrastructure is nowhere near where it needs to be.
    Also there will be no new houses connected to the gas supply from 2025 (if the recommendations are adopted) so that will increase elec demand.
    As solar and wind becomes more efficient micro-generation and storage (probably in your car) will play a big part. As an engineer I actually find it quite exciting and if I was 30 years younger it’s a direction I’d be looking to head.

    My next runabout purchase will almost certainly be an EV Hydrogen is the Betamax in this fight I’m afraid.
    That about 2025 new houses, interesting and yet not surprising. Is that something you know of or believe to be?

    Betamax was the better solution (8mm video/digital audio use was basically Betamax I understand.) than the big oversize VHS ****. So it figures.

    The original question; No I ****ing hate the idea of ruining a Ferrari by putting a ****ty washing machine drive in it. Enzo rumoured to have said "It is the engine you are buying and the car comes free". So a Ferrari shell with sewing machine motor is but a pretty sewing machine abomination.

    It's like saying I hate Monet paintings because they're typically an oil medium so I'm going to paint over it with my ****ing water colours.

    I detest the idea of removing that engine. Even those stupid LS or whatever converted Ferraris are a joke. "Oh it's saving it from being scrapped" Scrap it once the heart has been ripped out of it

    I too will most likely end up with an EV or Hybrid for work next time around. It's fine putting hairdryer propulsion in a Mercedes It'll only ever be a commuter and I can relax in the knowledge at the age of almost 56, I will soon be laughing at all the next but two generations, because I've hung up my keys forever, who are never going to be petrolheads whilst they drive their silent soulless food mixers and then get driven by HAL Poor *******s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MalcH View Post
    That about 2025 new houses, interesting and yet not surprising. Is that something you know of or believe to be?

    Betamax was the better solution (8mm video/digital audio use was basically Betamax I understand.) than the big oversize VHS ****. So it figures.

    The original question; No I ****ing hate the idea of ruining a Ferrari by putting a ****ty washing machine drive in it. Enzo rumoured to have said "It is the engine you are buying and the car comes free". So a Ferrari shell with sewing machine motor is but a pretty sewing machine abomination.

    It's like saying I hate Monet paintings because they're typically an oil medium so I'm going to paint over it with my ****ing water colours.

    I detest the idea of removing that engine. Even those stupid LS or whatever converted Ferraris are a joke. "Oh it's saving it from being scrapped" Scrap it once the heart has been ripped out of it

    I too will most likely end up with an EV or Hybrid for work next time around. It's fine putting hairdryer propulsion in a Mercedes It'll only ever be a commuter and I can relax in the knowledge at the age of almost 56, I will soon be laughing at all the next but two generations, because I've hung up my keys forever, who are never going to be petrolheads whilst they drive their silent soulless food mixers and then get driven by HAL Poor *******s.


    Houses.....consulted on and not law yet (something called ‘brexit’ seems to be all consuming of our political elites)

    You got my point on Betamax . H2 may be a better solution for some but everyone already has electricity in their homes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MalcH View Post
    The original question; No I ****ing hate the idea of ruining a Ferrari by putting a ****ty washing machine drive in it. Enzo rumoured to have said "It is the engine you are buying and the car comes free". So a Ferrari shell with sewing machine motor is but a pretty sewing machine abomination.

    It's like saying I hate Monet paintings because they're typically an oil medium so I'm going to paint over it with my ****ing water colours.

    I detest the idea of removing that engine. Even those stupid LS or whatever converted Ferraris are a joke. "Oh it's saving it from being scrapped" Scrap it once the heart has been ripped out of it

    I too will most likely end up with an EV or Hybrid for work next time around. It's fine putting hairdryer propulsion in a Mercedes It'll only ever be a commuter and I can relax in the knowledge at the age of almost 56, I will soon be laughing at all the next but two generations, because I've hung up my keys forever, who are never going to be petrolheads whilst they drive their silent soulless food mixers and then get driven by HAL Poor *******s.
    Everyone’s obviously entitled to their view and as I said, I’m not a ‘fan’ of this at all. But would I scrap a car out of spite? No, I think I’d look at conversion instead. If the day comes and we have to drive EVs, we have zero choice, then I many as well drive an EV that I love the look of, especially if conversion is a fraction of the cost of buying a new EV which I don’t like as much. I’d hate this day to come but it might.

    Sadly I don’t have the benefit of some members here, Malc - it’s far more likely to effect us youngsters than some of you more senior lot .......

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